Cross dressing, cis and trans gender in acolytes of heathen Gods….a philosophical group of questions


In the literature we have on Uppsala, there is documentation that priests of Frey were cross dressers at the least. And Odin dresses as a woman to learn and perform Seidh. I would say, therefore, that some level of transvestitism was performed and acknowledged in ancient ways, because we have the evidence both in the lore and the literature to support it.

And in a separate, but also I.E. tradition, male devotees of Cybele would dance themselves into a frenzy and castrate themselves, thereafter identifying as females, in order to be priest(esses) of Her order.  I would also point out that She shares several traits in common with Freyja including the lions pulling her chariot.

I still see a lot of the over culture assumption of Christian values in heathens. Including in my own group, at least as regards some issues like this. Now, from a purely utilitarian point of view, I agree with the stance that gays and transgenders are not openly welcomed, though tolerated. This does not support the growth and preservation of the tribe, that much is obvious. And with us still having such small numbers, and being so spread out, I can understand this position. I can even support it from the purely utilitarian point of view.  Though frankly, on a personal level, I don’t really care, as long as it’s not directly hindering me from doing something I need to do for myself or my family, or my tribe, and as long as you aren’t harming others in the process.   And you aren’t holding yourself up as an example to aspire to for the children of the group.

And from a population genetics point of view, homosexuality is predicted and expected as the population grows and pressures are placed on species due to competition for resources. This I see playing out in real life.  Again, I don’t care, I see a scientific hypothesis being independently confirmed in real life.

But I have a serious philosophical question. Or related group of questions, rather.
If our religion is going to grow and develop, if we are going to ever have actual cult temples devoted to particular Gods and Goddesses, is there a place for them as there was in ancient times? Will we ever accept cross dressing or even transgendered male to females being priests for Frey?  Will we accept transvestitism from men in order to learn and perform seidh?

Now, in a recent comment on just this topic, someone said that there is a big difference between the modern PC culture of gay and transvestism, and ancient cross dressing.  I am of the opinion(s) that yes, and no.  There was no surgery to make it final.  Other than castration for men, and mastectomy for women.  But I have to wonder if those priests were in fact castrated and if they identified as women in service of their God.  Of course, we also know there were priestesses and cis gendered priests of the same God.  I don’t think they (castrati or whatever they were) were accepted in regular society, I think they were only accepted in the role of devotee/priest/ess.  But there was a place for them.

Thoughts?

It may not stop terrorism but it’s surely going to slow it down. And we DO NOT need more people who are never going to do anything but suck on the welfare teat. I’m looking at you Germany.


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I need a strong man.


For many years I felt like I was an exhausted swimmer, thrashing about in a choppy ocean, trying to get to – somewhere – I wasn’t sure where.

I was, frankly, not a good wife to my first husband.  This is both my fault and his.  I was too young to really understand my role and importance; he was disappointed that I was too young (once he realized it was an issue) and punished everyone in the house for that.

I overcompensated drastically for that once I was divorced; I did everything I could to make sure I would NEVER have to depend on a man for ANYTHING again.  I worked two jobs, sometimes three, to make sure I pulled my full weight (and that of my children) in any household budget where there were two adults.  I sacrificed my children’s childhoods in doing so, but I did at least teach them a strong work ethic.

When I remarried I continued this pattern.  And I began to really feel as though I was at sea with no life jacket.

When I came (back) to heathenry I began to feel that there was a place for a strong woman – but it wasn’t the one I was occupying.  This made me very dissatisfied and made things worse, in a way, as I watched my partner unravel.  I FINALLY knew what I wanted but I didn’t know how to get there.

I was wrong to coddle my man by always taking the brunt of things, by trying to do the job of two, by allowing him to isolate himself.  I was wrong to think I *could* do the job of two without suffering consequences both in myself and in terms of my relationships.

I need a strong man that can hold me up when I’m weak, that can take up the slack, that can allow me to do my duties without doing his too.  One that is strong enough to put up with a strong woman.

Maybe someday I can have that.  And if not…well I guess it’s not in the cards.  But I at least have a direction with my faith.  And a hope that it can someday happen.

So maybe I don’t actually need one, but the ideal situation would be to have one.  Marriage in the lore was an amazing partnership.